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Written by rosalind renshaw

At least 1,000 people training to be Domestic Energy Assessors are thought to have been caught up in the collapse into administration of a HIP training firm.

It is thought that there were some 800 people actively in training, plus a large number who had started their training but dropped out, although they have not officially signed off. 

Some are believed to be former soldiers who will have served in Iraq and Afghanistan.

They and others face losing all their savings and, to complete their training elsewhere, will have to find more money.

The Surrey-based business Property Professionals, which changed its name from Home Inspector Training, went into administration last week.

Its sister company, HIP HIP Hooray, is believed still to be trading, although a source outside the company claimed it had not paid suppliers for two months and staff had not received their full salaries for January.

One DEA said he had been approached by another energy assessment firm to do work for Hamptons – work he had previously done through HIP HIP Hooray. But he said he had not been paid for the last nine EPCs done for Hamptons and was surprised that the work had apparently been picked up by another panel type of business.

Many of the Property Professionals (formerly HIT) trainees are believed to have spent their redundancy money on training. Others are ex-Forces personnel who spent their resettlement allowances. Many had to take out extra loans to pay for the £10,000 courses.

Property Professionals had four training centres, at its headquarters in Tolworth near Kingston in Surrey, Bristol, Birmingham and Manchester.

Joseph Pestell, secretary of the Institute of Home Inspection, said: “I have visited a couple of these training centres and they are large. Any room would have 15 or so people in it at any one time. They were training for what they had been told would be lucrative new careers as Domestic Energy Assessors, commercial assessors or fire risk assessors.

“Many of these students now have little prospect of completing their training and qualifications,” he said. “I suspect that 1,000 is an under-estimate of the numbers involved, although hopefully we will know more this week.

“Many of these are vulnerable people, recently made redundant or on armed forces’ resettlement grants. Many have taken out loans to finance their training.  

“Over the past two years, the Institute has repeatedly raised concerns with the Government and public authorities about the company and its associated companies. Sadly, no action has been taken. 

“It is really too early to say at this stage how the situation may be resolved for the trainees, but the Institute is already in contact with the appropriate authorities, including the Awarding Body for the Built Environment (ABBE) and other training providers to see what may be done to help.” 

He said he was mystified that Property Professionals had gone into administration, as he said his understanding was that it had been cash-rich to the tune of £8m a few years ago.

www.ihi.org.uk


Comments

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    Ray - I don't normally disagree with anything you say - your viewpoint is generally well-informed and considered. I am not saying you are 100% wrong - some of the DEAs I have met certainly meet the "White Van Man" expectation we had of them five or so years ago. I DO feel, however, that your comments were unneccessarily scathing of the individuals who are affected by this debacle. They are, after all, simply looking to forge a living of some description. The 'Profession' is still being actively marketed, and even actively encouraged as Colin points out by the Armed Forces' employment advisers. May I respectfully suggest that we spare a thought for these poor individuals who through no fault of their own face further disappointment and hardship.

    • 10 February 2010 12:43 PM
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    Colin. You prove my point!

    • 09 February 2010 16:17 PM
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    Ladies, gents, please. Enough of this or you face falling into the same category as lol. This person proves once again (the look4property numpties being the last bunch) PeeBee's first theory of human behaviour... that @r$eholes come in all shapes and sizes - but all spout the same sh!t. 'nuff said, methinks... ;0) (oh - and for the record, lol... I am NOT an Estate Agent!)

    • 09 February 2010 15:33 PM
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    Perhaps true, Anna Key. Usually people like LOL have very little to offer the world, no relevant opinions and just seek attention. Stupid comments like this seem to be favourable, due to their lack of everything - usually best to ignore :)

    • 09 February 2010 11:39 AM
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    I apologise Agency Insider for offering a correction but surely you made a spelling mistake and your closing words should read: People as peasant as you make working in agency so worthwhile. LOL

    • 09 February 2010 10:53 AM
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    Lol. Thank you so much for your erudite and carefully crafted posting. And thank you for posting it twice in case we missed it the first time. People as pleasant as you make working in agency so worthwhile.

    • 09 February 2010 08:00 AM
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    “Estate agents. You can't live with them, you can't live with them. The first sign of these nasty purulent sores appeared round about 1894. With their jangling keys, nasty suits, revolting beards, moustaches and tinted spectacles, estate agents roam the land causing perturbation and despair. If you try and kill them, you're put in prison: if you try and talk to them, you vomit. There's only one thing worse than an estate agent but at least that can be safely lanced, drained and surgically dressed. Estate agents. Love them or loathe them, you'd be mad not to loathe them.”

    • 08 February 2010 22:21 PM
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    “Estate agents. You can't live with them, you can't live with them. The first sign of these nasty purulent sores appeared round about 1894. With their jangling keys, nasty suits, revolting beards, moustaches and tinted spectacles, estate agents roam the land causing perturbation and despair. If you try and kill them, you're put in prison: if you try and talk to them, you vomit. There's only one thing worse than an estate agent but at least that can be safely lanced, drained and surgically dressed. Estate agents. Love them or loathe them, you'd be mad not to loathe them.”

    • 08 February 2010 22:21 PM
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    Ray

    You obviously have no idea what you are talking about, many of these people were serving in the armed forces and given advice by their own training arm to go for this, even they were hoodwinked!

    • 08 February 2010 20:33 PM
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    TIPs will obviously lead to a reduction of speculative applications by students and as such will destroy the training market

    • 08 February 2010 16:18 PM
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    Perfect. A TIP must be in place before you can legally market a vacancy - that'll get unemployment down ;)

    • 08 February 2010 16:09 PM
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    It's clear that ordinary members of the public need to be protected from investing in schemes operated by those who know "the system" and work it to their advantage.

    Perhaps a Traininng Information Pack (or TIP) is the answer.

    • 08 February 2010 15:34 PM
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    You're absolutely right. It does appear that these training schemes offer after-care 'support'. They package it up in an attractive manner which can lead people down the garden path. It seems that they have identified a target market that are trusting what they say. As you said, you should always investigate any investment before signing up, with this situation being a prime example!

    • 08 February 2010 14:59 PM
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    AceofSpades & ChrisJB.
    I take your points - the world is full of 'con men'.
    However, my main point is that these people are supposed to be training to become 'professionals' and if they have not got the 'nouse' to research properly before parting with loads of cash how are they to survive in the self-employed business world.

    • 08 February 2010 12:12 PM
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    It's not entirely their fault, Ray. They are not from property backgrounds and these conmen obviously have some very good (lying) sales people who are getting their claws into vulnerable people. They all offer salaries of up to £60k...however, if it is too good to be true, it probably is. They should do a bit more research before signing up, but these companies are a disgrace.

    • 08 February 2010 11:51 AM
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    Much as further suffering by DEA's is a shame, the broader question here is why a sector which is completely over supplied continues to be allowed to take money for training people to add to its ranks.

    Too many DEA's already don't you think?

    • 08 February 2010 11:26 AM
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    Those of you who are very 'wise' do not help those who have fallen. Do not condem them condem the companies that have given all of the trainees the hope for a future with a Legal European requirement.

    • 08 February 2010 11:11 AM
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    These people must be real stupid! Did they not do their homework? All they had to do was read the Trade Press. Budding professionals I think not.
    The writing has been on the wall for well over a year.
    DEA's are and have been out there in abundance - too many of them - lucky to make £5000 p.a.?

    • 08 February 2010 10:56 AM
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    Andrew - Too many!

    These training companies that peddle the lie that a good living awaits those who sign up to their £10,000 training courses should be sued into the middle of next week. For fraud.

    • 08 February 2010 10:44 AM
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    Why are people still being sold these courses. Yes EPC's are here to stay but how many DEA's are already out there.

    • 08 February 2010 10:40 AM
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