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We recently ran an article about Agents' Mutual that, based on some of the comments posted, was one of the more controversial articles we have published, ever.

We raised many serious questions, some of which we address further here. Given the subject and audience, it is not surprising that some of the comments we received were less than flattering and in some cases were, dare we say it, paranoid.

Clearly by asking hard questions and giving our opinion we are going to court controversy but our viewpoint is objective, even if provocative and that's what makes the job worthwhile and interesting.

We also conducted a survey as part of the article and here is a snapshot of what we know so far:

If the Agents' Mutual one portal rule' survives, Rightmove unsurprisingly fares better than ZPG by about 2:1. This could well change over the course of the next year as Zoopla seems to be gaining ground all the time.

Less than four out of ten agents (39%) who voted in our survey support Agents' Mutual. Almost one third (30%) are definitely not supportive and another third (31%) remain on the fence. This poses somewhat of a problem for Agents' Mutual with what looks like less than half the inventory in the market behind them.

On the question of whether the one portal rule' is a good idea, the results are a dead heat with half of respondents saying yes' and the other half saying no'. This is the most controversial aspect of Agents' Mutual and given the support levels above might be something they think about changing if they really want to gain traction.

If you haven't yet done so, complete the survey below. Obviously the more of you that complete it, the more accurate the picture will become. At some point later in the year we will invite everyone who votes to do so again, so we can see who has changed their minds!

Take the survey now

These results seem to confirm that the Agents' Mutual train has left the station. However, if it is to have any chance of reaching its target destination, it will need to think hard about dropping the 'one other portal' rule. Obviously a lot of agents don't want to risk damaging their existing business by supporting Agents' Mutual and having to drop a major source of leads that could hand a market advantage to their competition, not to mention disadvantage their own clients.

For what it is worth, we think that the rule is unfair, anti-competitive and regressive. The reason for this is that this exclusivity' rule stands to damage both market competition by handing even more power back to Rightmove - one of the main reasons Agents' Mutual was born was to combat this - and damage the agents who agree to it by removing the flexibility to follow market forces from them.

On the other hand we think Zoopla has been a bit of a white knight to the industry. If they had not burst on the scene when they did, then Rightmove would have had an even freer hand with agents. Zoopla have already provided a real alternative to Rightmove and one that in our opinion offers a superior user experience, giving agents a real choice in the market.

To be clear, Zoopla is not a contributor in any way to the EAT or LAT coffers, although, given our support, perhaps they should be. Yes, we are pro Zoopla. We know this will bring in the shouts of bias but let's look at why we are pro Zoopla!

The reason we are backing Zoopla is simply because we think they offer the superior user experience and have miraculously emerged as real competition to Rightmove, their success to date has been a true David versus Goliath story. It would be a tragedy if a well-intentioned Agents' Mutual were allowed to stop them in their tracks.

Zoopla has achieved what must have seemed impossible to most in the past 5 years. It has created a credible alternative to Rightmove, an alternative that we at EAT have long believed would eventually replace Rightmove as market leader.

In our view Zoopla takes the property search experience to a whole new level, it is fun, interesting and informative to use and its clever user driven algorithm makes it stronger and more compelling every day. In some ways, we see Zoopla as a kind of Facebook or Google; its success is user generated and barring unforeseen circumstances we felt its success and eventual market leadership was assured.

Now to deal with the 'unforeseen circumstances' in the form of Agents' Mutual. We think the idea behind Agents' Mutual, to give agents some control of their digital destiny is a great one, in theory at least. But like many theories before it, like communism, socialism and fascism, in practice we don't think it will work in most smaller-agent's interests at all, far from it. We think it could set back estate agency and lead to a dominant establishment elite. An elite that could control the market and even introduce free, market stifling regulation through the back door - sounds a bit like communist Russia doesn't it

Of course we support the idea of controlling portal fees and avoiding unfair spiralling costs. The free market can do that. Zoopla have proven that a new player can enter the market and make waves without stifling competition. What we do not support is a rule that effectively damages the consumer proposition, puts smaller agents at risk, restricts the freedom of agents to spend their marketing budgets as they see fit and goes against the basic principles of a free market. It sounds from the survey results to date that at least half of agents agree with us!

So that's enough from us, let's hear more from you; if you haven't already, take our survey, and make your opinion count, who knows we may even change our minds if we hear a persuasive enough argument.

Take the survey now

In the meantime the controversy rages on. In our next piece we hope one of the big players, Agents' Mutual, Rightmove or Zoopla will step up to the plate and make their case for why they should end up the victors in the Great Portal War of 2014. We would also like to hear from you guys running the smaller portals, what do you think about being faced with extinction

Comments

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    Andrew Goldthorpe. If I want to look at the adverts I'll glance to the right of this panel and look at the paid for contributions. Will you stop banging on about your own website within the comments section. We all understand your feelings on what makes a mutual 'mutual', and how AgentsMutual are not really what they purport. Lets move on eh!

    • 04 February 2014 17:11 PM
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    Hover over Anon Coward's photo and it reveals he is Christopher Clarke. what is the point of a soppy moniker if the website gives away who you are

    Is this an irony thing

    • 31 January 2014 14:46 PM
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    And when will the industry wake up to the fact that a two portal rule is 'unfair, anti-competitive and regressive' and is not the way a so called 'mutual' should go about its business.

    • 29 January 2014 18:11 PM
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    Yes, that is what we thought which is why PropertyMutual presented our proposal to NFoPP and RICS in an attempt to get some unity in advertising.

    • 29 January 2014 18:08 PM
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    When will people realise that this is just a "third" portal trying to establish themselves, problem being as well is if the big twos share holders are hit as listings drop they will open their sites up to private listings. Do you really think RM will allow share price to drop for a sustained period. Some of you are now thinking "well in that case we will all pull our advertising on RM" Truth is their will always be an agent advertising on RM and you will lose listings in your town if you do not, meaning........Yep you will still be on RM but also now with private listings driving your fee lower! Learn to embrass RM you helped make it the monster it is now learn to tame it not anger it!

    • 29 January 2014 17:20 PM
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    Unless you are a registered and vetted potential member, the AM website says nothing. The consumer and the press are in the dark about the totality of the business model.

    Using the word 'mutual' does not necessarily make it so. And a company limited by guarantee can still be sold if sufficient members vote for it. Beginning to sound like other sites with founding members

    They have done a great job in 'signing up' potential members but for what and when An acquiescent property press has largely been responsible for that in my view, hence my decision to launch PropertyMutual. AM is vapourware and we all know about PropertyLive spending 2m over 4 years and still not getting it right.

    Thanks for the good wishes.

    • 29 January 2014 17:00 PM
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    @ Guest (Steve)

    You have a good point regarding estate agents office windows, displaying ads. and talking about Agents Mutual (it may have a different name at launch). Not forgetting particulars sheets, general advertising, business cards, negotiators conversations etc.) That is what RM had in the beginning - it was what made them - the agents themselves! In my view agents offices are very much under used and under rated at present - use them more in general marketing! Tip: Prospect 'Are you on RM' - 'Of course, AND on our own national site where all our properties are shown before RM' Give card or literature with domain name. Or similar procedure.

    • 29 January 2014 15:18 PM
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    Andrew,

    I believe all the information you require is readily available on the agents mutual website.

    I do not know how many people you have signed up on your portal but AM must be doing something right if they have almost 2000 of the countries leading agencies committed for a minimum of 5 years as well as each loaning at least 3000 to help make it a success.

    I genuinely wish you the best of luck with your venture.

    • 29 January 2014 15:17 PM
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    Its not a mutual as I know it as Mutual members should have the same relationship, each to the other.
    Having 'average' payments for different classes of members is as opaque as the commercial portals.
    What incentives are offered and for how long
    I understand there is a discount table for multiple offices. Why should one office, or class of member subsidise any other in a mutual

    • 29 January 2014 14:26 PM
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    Just a thought...
    Taking into account average monthly gold member fees for AM being around 350-375 per office then if AM can get between 1600 to 2000 gold members signed and committed for the launch (Jan 2015) then the turnover for the first full year of the portal being in place will be around 7m to paid by gold members only.

    Then considering that the average monthly fee for silver membership is around 440, this would mean that a total of 4000 silver members would bring first year turnover to 30m

    Now consider that RM's & Zoopla's annual running costs are roughly 30m.

    In other words 6000 members on board for the launch and they should be on a par with RM and Z certainly from a financial perspective as they are a not for profit organization.

    Over to you Mr Springett.

    • 29 January 2014 13:52 PM
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    What is 'mutual' about office A paying more or less than office B

    • 29 January 2014 13:42 PM
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    I am fast becoming even more frustrated with the estate agent community of which I am one.
    Wasn't AM to become the agents site so as to give us back a larger control over not least of all COSTS and then enable us not to be at the demands of rm and z with their new charges.
    If most of us stuck together and that is asking a lot but if we did and that meant removing our stock from other sites then that would hurt those sites with traffic and revenue and with us advertising ONLY AM in our windows the traffic would quickly be rolling into us via AM. Please forgive me for what I thought was the obvious but it does seem reasonably straight forward to me otherwise must endure hearing you lot moan all over again once the take it or leave it letters come out from rm on your new rates plus extra's!!

    • 29 January 2014 13:01 PM
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    Are you sure

    Editors are allowed to have an opinion and be biased - if you don't like it, stop reading The Sun and start reading The Mirror (or whatever).

    The issue is important to me and there is no way on earth I (me personally) could find out what other agents in my area (or elsewhere) think.

    You might be able to say that EAT is being a bit "sensationalist" about it, but just because Nat's editorial stance doesn't necessarily fit your world view does not necessarily mean that his opinion is any less valid.

    You also cannot fault them for allowing advertising on the site (use Google Chrome or Firefox and install AdBlock if you must) - you are not paying for it - if you don't like it, go elsewhere.

    Which, as it turns out, is exactly the argument about Agents Mutual...

    • 29 January 2014 11:51 AM
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    Written by EAT Editor!

    After reading his biased opinions I am certainly not going to support anything suggested by him. He should get on with his job of supplying reports and opinions of the government and industry (not advertising) itself, for discussion by those involved. EAT and LAT are now become mainly an advertising platform.

    • 29 January 2014 11:48 AM
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    True, I suppose

    • 29 January 2014 11:41 AM
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    Without wishing to sound like a complete a*sehole can I suggest that you install AdBlock on a decent browser to view this website (Firefox or Chrome)

    I actually allow the adverts on this site because it is completely free to use and the people that run it are only able to provide it for free because of the advertising.

    If it offends you, go somewhere else.

    Love & kisses

    • 29 January 2014 11:34 AM
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    have bothered to complete your survey. Shelter make stuff up based on woefully small samples of data. Just how many have filled in the survey you are so keen for us to complete.

    Out of 55,000 people who could join in how many have

    That is enough epilepsy inducing EAT today 164 seconds, fecking flashing adverts in the corner of my vision.

    • 29 January 2014 10:37 AM
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    People state that AM currently has a small market share, but what they do not mention is that all those agents have loaned their own money to the venture, agreed to drop one of the big portals, have committed to do this for 5 years and more importantly now have a massive incentive for it to work. In addition, these agents are some of the biggest in the industry, and that's without mention the full support of ARLA and NAEA.

    I will be amazed if by the launch in January 2015 some 60% of the market is not signed up in some way.

    • 29 January 2014 10:37 AM
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    ZOOPLA HAS APPOINTED JEFFERIES, THE INVESTMENT BANK, TO WORK ON A STOCK MARKET LISTING, QUOTED BY SKY NEWS! ALSO THEY HAVE STATED THEY INTEND TO INCREASE REVENUES BY AT LEAST 50% OVER THE NEXT 3 YEARS! Agents LOOK FORWARD TO INCREASED FEES!!
    THE ABSOLUTE REASON TO HAVE 'ONLY ONE OTHER PORTAL'!
    Many of you may think this is a negative but in fact it is a must have situation for us smaller agents, because this will automatically reduce the size of both portals overnight by coming off one or the other and at the same time AM closes the gap on comparable sizes of the duopoly!
    Rightmove are the leaders in our area and Zoopla are the dominant force in other areas, which is a good thing as stated in this topic. So for us it is a localised battle but for the duopoly it is a national war. If we group together early and locally to show we are supporting AM then both are going to want the groups of local agents business because they are going to have this up and down the country. Just like the elections, rightmove will want Zoopla seats and Zoopla will want Rightmove seats, but they will also do whatever they can to keep their business, even more especially in their strongholds, because like us they do also rely on income to have a marketing budget!

    But most of all it protects our position from being played and having to increase our spend and be forced to go on all three just like weve all been forced on to Zoopla over the last few years.
    In each town across the country there is a dominant force whether it is Rightmove or Zoopla, so this isnt nationally as one but in fact locally. Each town need to join as one and gain the negotiating power to choose their preferred portal and if you cant agree then at least the duopoly will be competing for your business! So you do have a choice and it is not forcing your arm, you can have the one you want but on your terms hopefully!
    So, to the part I feel a lot of agents are missing. Here are a few Pros and Cons to consider Ask yourselves what questions will arise by supporting Agents Mutual
    - Can we cause Rightmove and Zoopla to start competing with their fees
    - Can we get more for our money, If we own the 3rd competing portal, competition is healthy
    - Can we guarantee to never see the day when we spend 5000 - 10000 per month on portal advertising
    - Can we benefit from only needing to use either Rightmove or Zoopla
    - Do we need to be as competitive as we can when the Online agent brigade start to make a change to our industry
    The answer has got to be 100% YES! Because if we dont then expect the opposite to happen.

    Zoopla has helped I suppose to stop even higher Rightmove charges but now they are greedy and want a bigger slice!

    • 29 January 2014 10:10 AM
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    Well I hope Nat at least gets an expensive night out for gathering this data for Zoopla, putting the boot into AM at such an early stage might even get him on RM's xmas card list.
    I couldn't care less what 'EAT' thinks or who they are 'backing' and I'm shocked that EAT have been so blatant about it. The opinions I'll be listening to are the people that are dealing with the portals as customers, not advertisers.

    • 29 January 2014 09:57 AM
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    Christopher
    Interesting commment, but I don't think you get the point . If the agents' collective you mentioned had owned the West Sussex County Times, I think you would have got much better prices. It's all about who owns the media, whether it is a paper or a web site. In Scotland, agents (who are also solicitors; it's complicated) own the papers and websites they advertise on and so control prices.

    • 29 January 2014 09:55 AM
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    Whether your relationship with Zoopla is arms length is immaterial. Over the last 12 months you could not read an EAL or LLT without their "purple" advert glaring at you. They are a major client of yours and therefore you must expect to be criticised and be readers to be aware of a potential conflict of interest when using your media platform to support them.

    • 29 January 2014 09:52 AM
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    Zoopla rang me in November to tell me that they will be increasing my fees by 13% as of January 2014. In addition, how can any agent support Zoopla when they continue to use the 'valuation' tool on their site.....possibly the most ill thought out ideas of all time!

    I am however, starting to agree that perhaps Agents Mutual would take on more agents should they drop the 'one other portal' only rule.
    2014 will indeed be an interesting one as we see the portals jostle for position and angels Media change their business plan!

    • 29 January 2014 09:52 AM
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    The answer is NO.

    I would NEVER, EVER sign up to a company with such restrictive practices.

    I might decide for myself to save the Rightmove or Zoopla Fee in due course because Agents Mutual proves to be really successful in getting me leads, but that would be my decision, not theirs.

    I wish them the best of luck, but I won't be joining up.

    • 29 January 2014 09:46 AM
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    It would be good to get a view from the 39% who are in support. What are people choosing to use Agents Mutual thinking Presumably agents who are not interested in the idea will be loathed to select either Rightmove or Zoopla to loose as they do not consider this an option. what percentage of the supporters believe the 1 site rule is a good one

    • 29 January 2014 09:42 AM
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    I used to work in Horsham where there was an agents collective to negotiate page prices in the West Sussex County Times. I have never seen such high prices in my life. I will admit that was 10 years ago, but it is definitely NOT the case that agents banding together improves your chances of a fair deal.

    • 29 January 2014 09:41 AM
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    And when Primelocation tried prohibiting their users from using other portals it just didn't work!

    • 29 January 2014 09:27 AM
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    It is not the case that agent owned portals disadvantage small agents and create a dominant elite. such portals operate all over Scotland and have exactly the same corporate structure as that proposed by Agents Mutual. The 'one member, one vote' rule actively protects smaller firms, guaranteeing common advertising costs for all and providing equal access to resources regardless of size. Portals not owned on this basis are far more likely to agree deals with larger operators that gives them a competitive advantage relative to their smaller cousins.

    • 29 January 2014 09:26 AM
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    Is there another website - anywhere in the world - where the clients are only allowed to work with one other competitor

    • 29 January 2014 09:21 AM
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